Hi

I would like to ask a question re the check.py and prosa2003 analysis of my model In the model I am building the check.py script identifies a region int he modeller produced alignment where the distance is greater than 8 angstroms This region corresponds to an insertion in the sequence to be modelled which aligns with a helix region in the template. Using prosa to assess the quality of a model built with this alignment shows that the energy for this region is lower than that of the template (there is a peak in the template at this region of beta sheet of 0.7). adjusting the alignment to remove this insertion against the region of secondary structure, and to move it to a region of no secondary strcuture, provides a clean check.py result but a combined energy peak in prosa at the postion this previous insertion was which is 0.8 and matches the template. As I have mentioned in the template there is a helix located at this position, In the secondary strcuture for the sequence, thetre is no predicted helix in the corresponding region.

Could anyone please give me any thoughts on this behaviour?!

Thanks Jo

On 1/6/06, modeller_usage-request@salilab.org < modeller_usage-request@salilab.org> wrote: > > Send modeller_usage mailing list submissions to > modeller_usage@salilab.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://salilab.org/mailman/listinfo/modeller_usage > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > modeller_usage-request@salilab.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > modeller_usage-owner@salilab.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of modeller_usage digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FW: Ligand clues and water blues (correction) (Mohsen, Al-Walid) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:59:36 -0500 > From: "Mohsen, Al-Walid" mohsaw@chp.edu > Subject: [modeller_usage] FW: Ligand clues and water blues > (correction) > To: modeller_usage@salilab.org > Message-ID: BFE40C28.2154%mohsaw@chp.edu > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sorry. when the .ini file is written it means Modeler accepted the > alignment, right or wrong, and the run will not stop for the error > mentioned > in your option 1. > > Best regards, > > Walid Mohsen > > > ------ Forwarded Message > From: <Mohsen>, Al-Walid mohsaw@chp.edu > Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:54:23 -0500 > To: modeller_usage@salilab.org > Conversation: Ligand clues and water blues > Subject: Re: Ligand clues and water blues > > Hi Jo, > > You have two messages and I am not sure where you are. I mentioned earlier > in my reply to replace the /...* with XXX* for the template and ...* for > the > model in your alignment file. It seems like you're still including the '/' > character, which is unnecessary at the end of the sequence and may cause > problems (shifts). The '/' is necessary to break the peptide sequence in > the > middle of the sequence, not at the end. IF you do a dimer for example you > need it there between the monomers, but NOT at the end. > > In option one, > > > this gives this error: > > rdabrk__290E> Number of residues in the alignment and pdb files are > > different: 517 516 > > For alignment entry: 1 > > recover____E> ERROR_STATUS >= STOP_ON_ERROR: 1 1 > > the error is real and you should look for where the problem is in the pdb > file vs the alignment file. As I understand it you should have the > residues > coordinates in the pdb file then two ligands AMP (515) and Mg (516), and > then one water molecule, which should be marked as HETATM with the number > 517. If this is the way it is and the second line of the template in > alignment file is: > > structureX:Bamu:1 : :517H : :unknown:unknown:-1.00:-1.00 > > RKQLPEPDLTFXXX* > > and the XXX* is aligned with the ...* AFTER the .ini is written (see > below), > then you should not get this error, unless you deleted something (a > residue) > by mistake. > > In option 2: > > You MUST check the alignment file for shifts after you exe or start the > Modeler_Run AND the .ini file is written. Modeler 7 is known for > introducing > '-' into the sequence and things get messed up. This occurs near the '/' > character. > > In option 3: > > Everyone else can correct me, if I am wrong, but I do not see the problem > with water coming up as BLK. As long as it's in the proper position in the > 3D structure, it's OK. Just replace BLK with HOH manually in the pdb file. > If you do the XXX aligned with ... then all HETATM including water are > treated as HETATM and renamed BLK. > > In option 4: > > I would leave water_IO = on out. Do not assume that all the commands work > perfectly right. As I mentioned above Modeler 7 has this shift issues that > was not present in Modeler 6. > > Best regards, > > Walid Mohsen > > > > > From: modeller_usage-request@salilab.org > > Reply-To: modeller_usage@salilab.org > > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:21:40 -0800 > > To: modeller_usage@salilab.org > > Subject: modeller_usage Digest, Vol 5, Issue 5 > > > > Send modeller_usage mailing list submissions to > > modeller_usage@salilab.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://salilab.org/mailman/listinfo/modeller_usage > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > modeller_usage-request@salilab.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > modeller_usage-owner@salilab.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of modeller_usage digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. modelling with water again (jo hanna) > > 2. Help needed (jo hanna) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 00:33:28 +0000 > > From: jo hanna jfhanna@gmail.com > > Subject: [modeller_usage] modelling with water again > > To: modeller_usage@salilab.org > > Message-ID: > > 4b21263d0601031633p52f2b0dbid0d1190a1301f952@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hello > > > > Many thanks for the advice Walid, I have done as you have suggested and > have > > made some progress but still am not seeing the behaviour that I am > > expecting. > > > > I have been using the pap format for the alignment as this has being > working > > better and have tried the following varied options in the top and align > > files, I should also mention that in my pdb i have the exact number of > > ligands(2), and single water that i would want to include in my model > > > > Option 1: > > remove water_io command from top file, > > try X for water and not w therefore at end of alignment > > structure = /..W > > and seqeunce = /... > > > > this gives this error: > > rdabrk__290E> Number of residues in the alignment and pdb files are > > different: 517 516 > > For alignment entry: 1 > > recover____E> ERROR_STATUS >= STOP_ON_ERROR: 1 1 > > > > Option 2: > > water_io = on in top file, in alignment file, structure end aligmment = > /..X > > seqeunce end alignment = /... > > gives this error > > rdabrk__291E> Sequence difference between alignment and pdb : > > > > STRUCTURE RES_IND ALN_ITYP ALN_RES X_ITYP X_RES -----*----- > > 1 517 24 UNK 28 TIP3 LTF..X > > check_a_337E> Structure not read in: 1 > > recover____E> ERROR_STATUS >= STOP_ON_ERROR: 1 1 > > > > Option 3: > > water_io = on in top file, end of alignments, strcuture = /..w seqeunce > = > > /... > > > > This combination creates a model but there is no mention in the logfile > of > > the BLK residues or of whether the water is accepted and in the final > model > > the water O is written as a BLK residue. From previoud posts i was > expecting > > a message in the log file re the TIP3 water and also for the model to > > contain a HOH or OH2 and not a BLK. > > > > Option 4: > > water_io = on in top file and end os alignments strcuture = > /..w seqeunce = > > /..w > > This once agaian produces the out of range error > > delete__443_> Restraints marked for deletion were removed. > > Total number of restraints before, now: 51247 47550 > > nselat__596E> Atom index is out of range (iatm,natm): 4033 4032 > > recover____E> ERROR_STATUS >= STOP_ON_ERROR: 1 1 > > > > Any help would be greatly apprecaited. > > > > Thanks > > Jo > >