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helllo all
i have a doubt in this context. while modelling the first model has a least energy what is the necessity for modelling  20 or 50 structures

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Today's Topics:

1. restrain beta strands and plates (Arnout Voet)
2. RE: How many models to generate? (Frederico Arnoldi)
3. Re: RE: How many models to generate? (Charlotte Habegger-Polomat)
4. Re: max number of optima in resdih.lib (Modeller Caretaker)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:53:24 +0100
From: Arnout Voet <>
Subject: [modeller_usage] restrain beta strands and plates
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dear modellers
i have met a problem in my scripting to restrain the secondary structure
element beta sheet beta strand.
For alpha helices it works and i see an influence on the modelled
structure , however for sheets it does not work and i get the same model
with or without the restraining in the script.

Could somebody pleez help me with the exact restraining of it

kind regards

arnout voet
phd student biochemistry
kuleuven.



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:22:38 +0000
From: "Frederico Arnoldi" <>
Subject: [modeller_usage] RE: How many models to generate?
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Hello Charlotte Habegger-Polomat,

I am not an expert modeller user, but what I can "share" about it?
I think the number of models generated depends on available time and
computational power you have to carry it. I usually generate between 100 and
200, and select that model with the lowest "current energy".
Probably somebody could discuss it better, anyway, I tried ;)

Frederico Arnoldi
UNESP - Rio Claro - Brazil

>
>Dear Modeller users,
>
>I was wondering if others would share how many structures you usually
>generate for a family of models.
>
>I am currently working on modelling my protein of interest with 3 known
>template structures (>30% sequence similarity). When using Modeller, I
>generate a family of 20 models and then evaluate the variability and
>quality of models within the family.
>
>How many do other Modeller users generate?
>
>How do you decide on this number?
>
>I've read articles where 3 models, others where 30 models were generated
>with Modeller...
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Charlotte Habegger-Polomat




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:37:18 -0500
From: Charlotte Habegger-Polomat <>
Subject: Re: [modeller_usage] RE: How many models to generate?
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Hello Frederico Arnoldi!

Thanks for your answer...I have been generating 20 models for my protein
of interest, and after evaluating the variability within the family of
models, I select one or more models to work with.

This reminds me that I have only an "approximation" of my structure, and
also allows me to retain some variability. I then work with these models
as one would work with a family of NMR structures.

Does anyone else use more than one model to work with after generating a
family with Modeller?

Thank you!

-Charlotte Habegger-Polomat





Frederico Arnoldi wrote:

> Hello Charlotte Habegger-Polomat,
>
> I am not an expert modeller user, but what I can "share" about it?
> I think the number of models generated depends on available time and
> computational power you have to carry it. I usually generate between
> 100 and 200, and select that model with the lowest "current energy".
> Probably somebody could discuss it better, anyway, I tried ;)
>
> Frederico Arnoldi
> UNESP - Rio Claro - Brazil
>
>


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:50:59 -0800
From: Modeller Caretaker <>
Subject: Re: [modeller_usage] max number of optima in resdih.lib
To: Luis Gracia <>
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Luis Gracia wrote:
> Hi! I need to modify the rotamer definitions in resdih.lib, but I get
> the following error when adding 4 entries to a residue.
>
> _modeller.error: rdrdih__223E> Internal error: array too small: MDIHOPT
> current maximum, current need: 4 4
>
> This is the line that creates the error:
>
> CA CB CG OD1 4 0.516 0.194 0.161 0.129 -11.9 69.4
> -67.6 154.8 12.5 11.1 23.3 25.7 -180 -90 -90 0 0 90 90 180
>
> using only 3 optima values doesn't give any error. Is there a limit in
> the maximum number of optima? This info is part of the output but I
> don't know if its a limit or the number found:
> Maximal number of dihedral angle optima: 3

Yes - unfortunately there is a hard-coded limit of 3 optima. This will
be removed in the next release of Modeller, but for the time being, you
are restricted to 3.

Ben Webb, Modeller Caretaker
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http://www.salilab.org/modeller/
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